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stalwart
12-15-2009, 07:18 PM
Turrets are much less skill intensive at the beginning than missile launchers. Towards the end, when you get to the large and x-large cannons, you'll find that you'll have to spend a bit more time on it.

First, an overview of the turret skills:


<table cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="dr">Advanced Weapon Upgrades (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=11207)</td> <td class="dr">6</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Reduces the power needs of turrets and launchers by 2% per level of skill.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Capital Energy Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=20327)</td> <td class="lr">7</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of capital energy turrets. 5% Bonus to capital energy turret damage per level.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Capital Hybrid Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=21666)</td> <td class="dr">7</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Operation of capital hybrid turrets. 5% Bonus to capital hybrid turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Capital Projectile Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=21667)</td> <td class="lr">7</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of capital projectile turrets. 5% Bonus to capital projectile turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Controlled Bursts (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3316)</td> <td class="dr">2</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Allows better control over the capacitor use of Weapon turrets. Grants a 5% per level reduction in capacitor need of Weapon turrets.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Gunnery (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3300)</td> <td class="lr">1</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Basic turret operation skill. 2% Bonus to weapon turrets speed per level.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Large Artillery Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12203)</td> <td class="dr">8</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced Large Artillery. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Large Artillery Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Large Autocannon Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12209)</td> <td class="lr">8</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced large autocannons. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Large Autocannon Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Large Beam Laser Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12205)</td> <td class="dr">8</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced large beam lasers. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Large Beam Laser Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Large Blaster Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12212)</td> <td class="lr">8</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced large blasters. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Large Blaster Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Large Energy Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3309)</td> <td class="dr">5</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Operation of large energy turrets. 5% Bonus to large energy turret damage. </td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Large Hybrid Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3307)</td> <td class="lr">5</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of large hybrid turret. 5% Bonus to large hybrid turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Large Projectile Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3308)</td> <td class="dr">5</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Operation of large projectile turret. 5% Bonus to large projectile turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Large Pulse Laser Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12215)</td> <td class="lr">8</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced large pulse lasers . 2% Bonus to the damage of turret requiring Large Pulse Laser Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Large Railgun Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12207)</td> <td class="dr">8</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced large railguns. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Large Railgun Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Medium Artillery Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12202)</td> <td class="lr">5</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced Medium Artillery. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Medium Artillery Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Medium Autocannon Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12208)</td> <td class="dr">5</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced medium autocannons. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Medium Autocannon Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Medium Beam Laser Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12204)</td> <td class="lr">5</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced medium beam lasers. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Medium Beam Laser Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Medium Blaster Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12211)</td> <td class="dr">5</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced medium blasters. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Medium Blaster Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Medium Energy Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3306)</td> <td class="lr">3</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of medium energy turret. 5% Bonus to medium energy turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Medium Hybrid Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3304)</td> <td class="dr">3</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Operation of medium hybrid turrets. 5% Bonus to medium hybrid turret damage. </td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Medium Projectile Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3305)</td> <td class="lr">3</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of medium projectile turrets. 5% Bonus to medium projectile turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Medium Pulse Laser Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12214)</td> <td class="dr">5</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced medium pulse lasers . 2% Bonus to the damage of turret requiring Medium Pulse Laser Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Medium Railgun Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12206)</td> <td class="lr">5</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced medium railguns. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Medium Railgun Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Motion Prediction (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3312)</td> <td class="dr">2</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Improved ability at hitting fast moving targets. Grants a 5% Bonus per level to Weapon turrets tracking speed.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Rapid Firing (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3310)</td> <td class="lr">2</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Skill at fast turret firing. +4% Bonus to Weapon turrets speed. </td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Sharpshooter (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3311)</td> <td class="dr">2</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Skill at long-range turret firing, 5% bonus to weapon turret optimal range of all sorts.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Small Artillery Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12201)</td> <td class="lr">3</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced Small Artillery. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Small Artillery Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Small Autocannon Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=11084)</td> <td class="dr">3</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced small Autocannons. 2% Bonus to the damage of turret requiring Small Autocannon Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Small Beam Laser Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=11083)</td> <td class="lr">3</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the Operation of small Beam Laser. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Small beam laser Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Small Blaster Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12210)</td> <td class="dr">3</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced small blasters. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Small Blaster Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Small Energy Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3303)</td> <td class="lr">1</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of small energy turrets. 5% Bonus to small energy turret damage. </td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Small Hybrid Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3301)</td> <td class="dr">1</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Operation of small hybrid turrets. 5% Bonus to small hybrid turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Small Projectile Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3302)</td> <td class="lr">1</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of small projectile turrets. 5% Bonus to small projectile turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Small Pulse Laser Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12213)</td> <td class="dr">3</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of small pulse lasers. 2% Bonus to the damage of turret requiring Small Pulse Laser Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Small Railgun Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=11082)</td> <td class="lr">3</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced small railguns. 2% Bonus to the damage of turret requiring Small Railgun Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Surgical Strike (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3315)</td> <td class="dr">4</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Knowledge of spaceships structural weakneses, 3% bonus to weapon turret damage of all sorts.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Tactical Weapon Reconfiguration (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=22043)</td> <td class="lr">8</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Skill at the operation of siege modules. 50-unit reduction in strontium clathrate consumption amount for module activation per skill level.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Trajectory Analysis (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3317)</td> <td class="dr">5</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Advanced understanding of zero-G physics. 5% Bonus turret accuracy falloff.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Weapon Upgrades (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3318)</td> <td class="lr">2</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Memory</td> <td class="lr">Skill required for weapon upgrade modules that affect turrets.Special: Reduces the CPU need of turrets,launchers and smartbombs by 5% per level of skill.</td></tr></tbody></table>

Before you move to the tech 2 guns, you'll want all your auxillary skills to level 3:

Gunnery (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3300)
Rapid Firing (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3310)
Surgical Strike (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3315)
Weapon Upgrades (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3318)

These are less important:

Trajectory Analysis (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3317)
Sharpshooter (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3311)
Motion Prediction (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3312)
Controlled Bursts (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3316)

The bottom ones are generally for larger guns.

Weapon Upgrades 5 is going to be one of the most important gunnery skills you have. Get that one before spending too much time on the "less important" ones. Those gyrostabilizers are crucial.

Before you get those less important ones, you'll want the skills related to the turrets you use. For me, minmatar, in a frigate:

Small Projectile Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3302)
Small Autocannon Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=11084)

These 2 skills be just as important as the first 4 I listed above.

After you get to the point where you have lvl 2-3 in the "less important ones," go for the tech 2 modules. 200mm t2 autocannons are full of rapage.

Cocer
12-16-2009, 06:23 AM
nice work stalwart! wish i had guides like these when i started playing lol.

MrBlah
12-16-2009, 06:41 AM
I haven't read a single one of Stalwarts guides.

ZanirZrold
12-16-2009, 07:48 AM
this will be useful when I actually have stuff leveled...

Moose
12-16-2009, 08:20 AM
Turrets are much less skill intensive at the beginning than missile launchers.

Wait what? Turrets are always more skill intensive then missles from what i can see. That is why everyone is like "omg missles > turrets" before they train any skills. Maybe im just reading it wrong...

I used turrets before I trained any turret skills. Without the skills conditions needed to be perfect. Perfect distance, perfect trajectory, perfect signature radius,perfect turret rotation speed in relation to the enemy ship. After i trained all the turret skills they tore shit up as long conditions were decent.

I used missiles without training any skills and the shit hit as long as you were in range. So I don't see how missiles are skill intensive at all in the beginning.

Turrets are less skill intensive in the beginning maybe. But not less then missile launchers.

Anyway, thanks for the list of skills for turrets. have most of them already but good to see what levels we should have them at.

stalwart
12-16-2009, 02:38 PM
you typically start with everything you need. you won't be getting these:

Trajectory Analysis (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3317)
Sharpshooter (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3311)
Motion Prediction (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3312)
Controlled Bursts (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3316)

until much later, and they really don't add much at all to your overall performance.

gunnery and your small turret skill take almost nothing to train, and will last you quite a while.

Matriel
12-16-2009, 05:00 PM
It's just like HoN Moose. I.E. Don't ever think or talk. :)

Moose
12-17-2009, 04:29 AM
It's just like HoN Moose. I.E. Don't ever think or talk. :)

Now where is the fun in that.

losinglife
01-08-2010, 07:25 AM
is this for energy turrets? cause that is what i am going for.. but need a guide :D

i am gonna follow this till i hear otherwise

Riddle
01-08-2010, 07:36 AM
is this for energy turrets? cause that is what i am going for.. but need a guide :D

i am gonna follow this till i hear otherwise


Don't be a dickhead. The guides for both!

If you're going lazerpewpews then you obviously don't train Small Autocannon spec. You train Small beam laser spec instead. But that laserpewpew is still a turret so the other skills still stand.

Spinewire
01-08-2010, 09:26 AM
Omgz no wonder my hybrid turrets aren't working!!!!!!111111oneononeeleven

losinglife
01-08-2010, 03:18 PM
Don't be a dickhead. The guides for both!

If you're going lazerpewpews then you obviously don't train Small Autocannon spec. You train Small beam laser spec instead. But that laserpewpew is still a turret so the other skills still stand.


i was referring to all teh aux stuff as i am gonna train that first. just wanted to make sure i wasnt wasting time

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