After your learning skills

[stalwart]

Tier 1 learning skills at 4?
Tier 2 learning skills at 3?

GOGOGOGOGO:

Spaceship command 3 if you don't have it already.
Racial Frigate 4
Mechanic 4
Engineer 4
Racial Frigate 5
Mechanic 5
Engineer 5

The only reason to do it in this order is so that you can use the 5% benefit from both skills before the "long" lvl 5 train.

[Rains Torme]

I think I may have most of those already (I was lazy and used my account from when creating characters gave you like 900k sp). I need the level 2 learning books though. All of them.

[losinglife]

i think space command and Lvl 5 is all i have left after i finish logic l4.... nice!

[stalwart]

lvl 5 what? just frigate or engi or mech? not all of them?

very nice.

[Cocer]

Warp disruptor/web:
electronics 3
propulsion jamming 1

MWD:
navigation 3
afterburner 3
high speed maneuvering 1

and they will need fucking armor/shield skills lol :O

[stalwart]

those come pretty quick. weapons upgrades/energy upgrades/drones are the next bitch of a hurdle to get over.

[losinglife]

lvl 5 what? just frigate or engi or mech? not all of them?

very nice.


lvl 5 frigate, eng, and mech. Wait did you say i should only choose 1 of those? FUUUUUUUUCKKKKK now i gotta figure out which one i will need

[Thatcher]

lvl 5 frigate, eng, and mech. Wait did you say i should only choose 1 of those? FUUUUUUUUCKKKKK now i gotta figure out which one i will need

all 3, lol

[Capricious]

Does it make sense that min frigate 5 will take me 10 days?

[Rains Torme]

Not really, cause mine will only take 4 days and 20ish hours.

[Atnas]

So I guess the game is kind of like a big waitroom and sometimes, when you're feeling particulary mischievous, you steal the loot of other players.

[Rains Torme]

Meh, I don't really mind it. I got bogged down with work for the past week and haven't really fallen behind, unlike in niggerniggerniggerniggerniggerniggerniggernigger when I went to Daytona Beach for Spring Break and came back to be so hopelessly far behind in skills I couldn't hope to catch up. It's kind of ironic the MMO that's closest to real life is also the one that gives you the most opportunity to have a real life and stay competitive.

[Monte]

Well, I finally got to level 2 missions. Wasn't that hard. Fucken thing is, I can't do them. Level 1 missions are so damn easy and give hardly any loot... Level 2 guys rape my sheilds and armor in seconds...

I am in a destroyer too... Sucks, I have to wait a day or two to play again... Should have cruiser today, and assault frigate by the end of the week. Hopefully I will be able to handle level 2's in a cruiser.

[stalwart]

monte, you're getting the assault frig skills, right? mech/engi V, frigate V?

[Monte]

monte, you're getting the assault frig skills, right? mech/engi V, frigate V?

Yes, already started working on it. All three will be at level 4 and one working on level 5 by the time I get home. To get to level 5 though is almost 2 days each. At level 4 frigate I can train cruiser, I figured 2 hours to get that to level 2 to get a decent cruiser to do level 2 missions. So will probably have Assualt done by the end of the week.

Only problem is, I don't have many other skills so can't use to many different types of boosters and shit or weapons. Still stuck using 200M AC I. don't have the skill for 200M AC II, and 200M AC scouts are kinda high in cash. That was why I was hoping Cruisers would give me just enoug to handle level 2 missions. You make crap on level 1 missions....

[stalwart]

assault by the end of the week? great to hear. you can do most lvl 2 missions with a jaguar pretty easily.

the main purpose of an assault frig isn't necessarily for the weapons, but the resistances. what hits rifters for 50, hits a jaguar for 5-10.

those gunnery skills will come very quickly after assault frigs.

[niccoli]

My level 4s are training. I believe Engi IV is done, Mech IV should be done this afternoon and Frig IV following. Then the Vs will start. I've got a bit before Lvl 2 missions so no biggy I guess, haven't played a lot as I figure I'll get bored if I do. :P Still have 13 free days left so....

[Monte]

I take that back... frigate 5 is over 5 days.... So.. Maybe middle/end of next week... DAMN IT!!!

O well, cruiser 3 only takes about 10 hours... so I slipped that in there... This way I can make some money on level 2 missions and get some decent implants....

[stalwart]

eh, that's not bad.

[Capricious]

So why is frigate 5 taking me 10 days?

Learning is 4
Analytical is 4
Instant recall is 4
eidetic is 3
logic is 3

[MrBlah]

So why is frigate 5 taking me 10 days?

Learning is 4
Analytical is 4
Instant recall is 4
eidetic is 3
logic is 3

you need more learning skills.

[stalwart]

So why is frigate 5 taking me 10 days?

Learning is 4
Analytical is 4
Instant recall is 4
eidetic is 3
logic is 3

you're probably out of the "200% skill gain" part of having a new player.

[Capricious]

you're probably out of the "200% skill gain" part of having a new player.

Its still in the 100% bonus (up to 1.6 mil).

[niccoli]

Frig 5 is going to take me 5D 18H, that's with:

Learning 4
Tier 1 Perception and Will 4
Tier 2 Perception and Will 3

Complete list:

Learning 4
Iron Will 4
Anal Mind 4
Instant Recall 4
Spatial Awareness 4
Focus 3
Logic 3
Eidetic Memory 3
Clarity 3
Empathy 5

I also have a +1 perception implant or whatever and if anyone has a +1 willpower to spare I'd take it. :D

By 5 on Empathy, I mean 0.

Did the math, to finish Frig 5, Mech 5, Eng 5, it will be 12 days from meow.

If those are it for your learning skills, you're missing the perception and will stat boosts, which Frig is based on.

[Monte]

I have all the level 1's to 4 and the level 2 to 3's for the learning skill.

+1 implants on all traits. Also redid my points. Took everything out of charisma and made the rest even.

5 days 19 hours.....

[Matriel]

Crybabies. My learning skills are all lvl 4 (couple lvl 5) +3 implants and frigate 5 will take me like 11 days.

[stalwart]

yea they get the bonus.

[Capricious]

Frig 5 is going to take me 5D 18H, that's with:

Learning 4
Tier 1 Perception and Will 4
Tier 2 Perception and Will 3

Complete list:

Learning 4
Iron Will 4
Anal Mind 4
Instant Recall 4
Spatial Awareness 4
Focus 3
Logic 3
Eidetic Memory 3
Clarity 3
Empathy 5

I also have a +1 perception implant or whatever and if anyone has a +1 willpower to spare I'd take it. :D

By 5 on Empathy, I mean 0.

Did the math, to finish Frig 5, Mech 5, Eng 5, it will be 12 days from meow.

If those are it for your learning skills, you're missing the perception and will stat boosts, which Frig is based on.

Thanks, thats probably it - was looking at frig being based on those and wondered. Guess I learned that its just not int/mem that assists in train time.

[slugys]

i think my frig 5 has like 8 days left?

cry less!
i want lvl 2 light hybrids!

[stalwart]

yea, that's a big step, too. there are sooo many things to train after you get assault frigs, you'll be buying/training skills constantly.

my advice is to get good at all the tier 1 stuff before trying to get tier 2 mods.

you can get another 15% to your resist bonuses from a 24 hour skill queue. you can get all of those gunnery skills to lvl 3 in like a day and a half.

[stalwart]

FYI, you're not going to want to, but it'll help you tremendously in the long run to get those tier 2 skills to 4...

[slugys]

yea, that's a big step, too. there are sooo many things to train after you get assault frigs, you'll be buying/training skills constantly.

my advice is to get good at all the tier 1 stuff before trying to get tier 2 mods.

you can get another 15% to your resist bonuses from a 24 hour skill queue. you can get all of those gunnery skills to lvl 3 in like a day and a half.

all the t1 stuff?
what do you mean? to lvl 5?
most importantly, what skills?

[stalwart]

depends on what you're using. you'll want to get them all to lvl 3 before you try to specialize into the tech 2 modules.



V. Turret Skills

A large number of skills affect the performance and statistics of turret-based weapons, all of them in the "Gunnery" skill sub-group. The base skill for all turret-based weapons is the Gunnery skill itself, which gives a 2% bonus to all turret rate of fire (refire) per level.

Base Turret Skills

There are twelve base turret skills in EVE, with four per turret type; small, medium, large and extra large. These weapons are intended for frigates, cruisers, battleships and capital ships, respectively, although you can always "downsize" your weapons. That is, there is nothing stopping a battleship from fitting a frigate-sized turret.

All base turret skills give a 5% damage bonus per level to their respective type. The Medium Hybrid Turret skill gives 5% damage bonus per level when using either medium-sized railguns or blasters, and so forth.

Turret Performance Skills

There are six turret performance skills in EVE that affect the base characteristics of all turrets. These are:



Controlled Bursts - 5% reduction in turret capacitor use per level
Motion Prediction - 5% increase in turret tracking per level
Rapid Firing - 4% bonus to turret rate of fire per level
Sharpshooter - 5% bonus to turret optimal range per level
Surgical Strike - 3% bonus to turret damage per level
Trajectory Analysis - 5% bonus to turret falloff per level

Turret Auxiliary Skills

There are two Auxiliary skills that affect the fitting requirements of both turrets and missile launchers, called Weapon Upgrades and Advanced Weapon Upgrades, that affect the CPU and Powergrid use of turrets, respectively.



Weapon Upgrades reduce the CPU requirements of a turret by 5% per level. This can be extremely useful, as turrets tend to be rather CPU-intensive.
Advanced Weapon Upgrades reduce the Powergrid requirements of a turret by 2% per level. This is an advanced skill, has a high training multiplier and requires lvl 5 in Weapon Upgrades before training.

Turret Specialization Skills

There are eighteen Specialization skills in EVE, two per turret type (Medium Hybrid Turrets split into Medium Blaster Specialization and Medium Railgun Specialization). These are prerequisites for the use of tech 2 turrets, and all of them require lvl 5 in their parent weapon skill. Note that there are no Capital Turret specialization skills.

All Specialization skills grant a 2% bonus to damage per level to their respective tech 2 turret types (Medium Railgun Specialization grants a damage bonus only to tech 2 medium railguns, such as the 250mm Railgun II).

[stalwart]

<table cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="dr">Advanced Weapon Upgrades (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=11207)</td> <td class="dr">6</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Reduces the power needs of turrets and launchers by 2% per level of skill.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Capital Energy Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=20327)</td> <td class="lr">7</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of capital energy turrets. 5% Bonus to capital energy turret damage per level.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Capital Hybrid Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=21666)</td> <td class="dr">7</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Operation of capital hybrid turrets. 5% Bonus to capital hybrid turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Capital Projectile Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=21667)</td> <td class="lr">7</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of capital projectile turrets. 5% Bonus to capital projectile turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Controlled Bursts (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3316)</td> <td class="dr">2</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Allows better control over the capacitor use of Weapon turrets. Grants a 5% per level reduction in capacitor need of Weapon turrets.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Gunnery (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3300)</td> <td class="lr">1</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Basic turret operation skill. 2% Bonus to weapon turrets speed per level.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Large Artillery Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12203)</td> <td class="dr">8</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced Large Artillery. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Large Artillery Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Large Autocannon Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12209)</td> <td class="lr">8</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced large autocannons. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Large Autocannon Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Large Beam Laser Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12205)</td> <td class="dr">8</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced large beam lasers. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Large Beam Laser Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Large Blaster Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12212)</td> <td class="lr">8</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced large blasters. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Large Blaster Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Large Energy Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3309)</td> <td class="dr">5</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Operation of large energy turrets. 5% Bonus to large energy turret damage. </td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Large Hybrid Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3307)</td> <td class="lr">5</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of large hybrid turret. 5% Bonus to large hybrid turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Large Projectile Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3308)</td> <td class="dr">5</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Operation of large projectile turret. 5% Bonus to large projectile turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Large Pulse Laser Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12215)</td> <td class="lr">8</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced large pulse lasers . 2% Bonus to the damage of turret requiring Large Pulse Laser Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Large Railgun Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12207)</td> <td class="dr">8</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced large railguns. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Large Railgun Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Medium Artillery Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12202)</td> <td class="lr">5</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced Medium Artillery. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Medium Artillery Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Medium Autocannon Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12208)</td> <td class="dr">5</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced medium autocannons. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Medium Autocannon Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Medium Beam Laser Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12204)</td> <td class="lr">5</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced medium beam lasers. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Medium Beam Laser Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Medium Blaster Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12211)</td> <td class="dr">5</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced medium blasters. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Medium Blaster Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Medium Energy Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3306)</td> <td class="lr">3</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of medium energy turret. 5% Bonus to medium energy turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Medium Hybrid Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3304)</td> <td class="dr">3</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Operation of medium hybrid turrets. 5% Bonus to medium hybrid turret damage. </td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Medium Projectile Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3305)</td> <td class="lr">3</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of medium projectile turrets. 5% Bonus to medium projectile turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Medium Pulse Laser Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12214)</td> <td class="dr">5</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced medium pulse lasers . 2% Bonus to the damage of turret requiring Medium Pulse Laser Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Medium Railgun Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12206)</td> <td class="lr">5</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced medium railguns. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Medium Railgun Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Motion Prediction (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3312)</td> <td class="dr">2</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Improved ability at hitting fast moving targets. Grants a 5% Bonus per level to Weapon turrets tracking speed.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Rapid Firing (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3310)</td> <td class="lr">2</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Skill at fast turret firing. +4% Bonus to Weapon turrets speed. </td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Sharpshooter (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3311)</td> <td class="dr">2</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Skill at long-range turret firing, 5% bonus to weapon turret optimal range of all sorts.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Small Artillery Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12201)</td> <td class="lr">3</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced Small Artillery. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Small Artillery Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Small Autocannon Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=11084)</td> <td class="dr">3</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced small Autocannons. 2% Bonus to the damage of turret requiring Small Autocannon Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Small Beam Laser Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=11083)</td> <td class="lr">3</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the Operation of small Beam Laser. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Small beam laser Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Small Blaster Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12210)</td> <td class="dr">3</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced small blasters. 2% Bonus to the damage of turrets requiring Small Blaster Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Small Energy Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3303)</td> <td class="lr">1</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of small energy turrets. 5% Bonus to small energy turret damage. </td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Small Hybrid Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3301)</td> <td class="dr">1</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Operation of small hybrid turrets. 5% Bonus to small hybrid turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Small Projectile Turret (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3302)</td> <td class="lr">1</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Operation of small projectile turrets. 5% Bonus to small projectile turret damage.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Small Pulse Laser Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=12213)</td> <td class="dr">3</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Specialist training in the operation of small pulse lasers. 2% Bonus to the damage of turret requiring Small Pulse Laser Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Small Railgun Specialization (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=11082)</td> <td class="lr">3</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Specialist training in the operation of advanced small railguns. 2% Bonus to the damage of turret requiring Small Railgun Specialization</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Surgical Strike (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3315)</td> <td class="dr">4</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Knowledge of spaceships structural weakneses, 3% bonus to weapon turret damage of all sorts.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Tactical Weapon Reconfiguration (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=22043)</td> <td class="lr">8</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="lr">Skill at the operation of siege modules. 50-unit reduction in strontium clathrate consumption amount for module activation per skill level.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="dr">Trajectory Analysis (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3317)</td> <td class="dr">5</td> <td class="dr">Perception - Willpower</td> <td class="dr">Advanced understanding of zero-G physics. 5% Bonus turret accuracy falloff.</td> </tr><tr> <td class="lr">Weapon Upgrades (http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/getskill.html?eveskill=3318)</td> <td class="lr">2</td> <td class="lr">Perception - Memory</td> <td class="lr">Skill required for weapon upgrade modules that affect turrets.Special: Reduces the CPU need of turrets,launchers and smartbombs by 5% per level of skill.</td></tr></tbody></table>you'll want the ones that effect your type of turrets. weapon upgrades to 5 is probably one of the more important ones. but you'll want surgical strike lvl 3 before you go past weapon upgrades 3, for example.

[stalwart]

i'll go ahead and write up a guide for it.

[niccoli]

Thanks, thats probably it - was looking at frig being based on those and wondered. Guess I learned that its just not int/mem that assists in train time.

Good news is, Teir 1 stat skills are based on Int/Mem so they'll go up faster. ;)

[losinglife]

finishing up lvl 4 eng today. After that i move on to lvl 5 for mech/eng/frig

after that tho.. i have no idea where to go :p

[stalwart]

i made a few threads about it.