Eve basic learning skill plans

[Rkeh]

http://evemon.battleclinic.com/
Evemon is a tool which will help you plan skills.

1. Cybernetics 1
2. Plug in +1 or +2 Implants, maybe you've got some cash from friends.
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3. Instant Recall 1
4. Analytical Mind 1
5. Learning 1
6. Instant Recall 2
7. Analytical Mind 2
8. Learning 2
9. Instant Recall 3
10. Analytical Mind 3
11. Learning 3
12. Instant Recall 4
13. Eidetic Memory 1
14. Eidetic Memory 2
15. Eidetic Memory 3
16. Analytical Mind 4
17. Logic 1
18. Logic 2
19. Logic 3
20. Learning 4
21. Eidetic Memory 4
22. Logic 4
23. Instant Recall 5
24. Analytical Mind 5
25. Learning 5
26. Iron Will 1*
27. Spatial Awareness 1*
28. Empathy 1*
29. Iron Will 2*
30. Spatial Awareness 2*
31. Empathy 2*
32. Iron Will 3*
33. Spatial Awareness 3*
34. Empathy 3*
35. Iron Will 4*
36. Spatial Awareness 4*
37. Empathy 4*
38. Iron Will 5*
39. Spatial Awareness 5*
40. Empathy 5*
* Order doesn't matter.
41. Focus 1
42. Clarity 1
43. Presence 1
44. Focus 2
45. Clarity 2
46. Presence 2
47. Focus 3
48. Clarity 3
49. Presence 3
50. Focus 4
51. Clarity 4
52. Presence 4

[ZanirZrold]

What are the add ons I'm supposed to be getting?

[losinglife]

easy enough to follow... guess i will have to download the trial and give it a whirl

[comestible]

That EveMon app still around? that was helpful.

[Rkeh]

Yeah evemon is the shit. It's at battleclinic.com I think. Attached is the plan in evemon form.

[Riddle]

I can't stress how important learning skills are! As boring as they seem, you get double learning speed up until about 1.6Mil SP's so you might as well grind these out before anything else.

I promise you, if you don't do the learning skills, those that do will soon out strip you in terms of viable PVP/Ship skills in a matter of weeks.

[stalwart]

skip the level 5 learning skills. takes around a year to make up for the time it takes to go from lvl 4 to 5.

[stalwart]

http://evemon.battleclinic.com/
Evemon is a tool which will help you plan skills.

1. Cybernetics 1
2. Plug in +1 or +2 Implants, maybe you've got some cash from friends.
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3. Instant Recall 1
4. Analytical Mind 1
5. Learning 1
6. Instant Recall 2
7. Analytical Mind 2
8. Learning 2
9. Instant Recall 3
10. Analytical Mind 3
11. Learning 3
12. Instant Recall 4
13. Eidetic Memory 1
14. Eidetic Memory 2
15. Eidetic Memory 3
16. Analytical Mind 4
17. Logic 1
18. Logic 2
19. Logic 3
20. Learning 4
21. Eidetic Memory 4
22. Logic 4
26. Iron Will 1*
27. Spatial Awareness 1*
28. Empathy 1*
29. Iron Will 2*
30. Spatial Awareness 2*
31. Empathy 2*
32. Iron Will 3*
33. Spatial Awareness 3*
34. Empathy 3*
35. Iron Will 4*
36. Spatial Awareness 4*
37. Empathy 4*
41. Focus 1
42. Clarity 1
43. Presence 1
44. Focus 2
45. Clarity 2
46. Presence 2
47. Focus 3
48. Clarity 3
49. Presence 3
50. Focus 4
51. Clarity 4
52. Presence 4

there. empathy and presence to 3 only. you'll hardly need those.

[Spades]

Don't train literally in this order, or else you'll go insane with boredom, learn new skills here and there, expirement with stuff you want to try out. Try picking up some new combat skills like missiles or something.

We should totally have a frigate deathmatch tourney or some team games.

[stalwart]

yea, mos def.

for the most part, i would suggest trying to get it over with as soon as possible. 2 weeks.

[Monte]

So if I make a trial account, I can give someone the account if and they can do my guy.

Then in a month I can actually play? :)

[stalwart]

hah

yea, i'll do that for someone with a red name.

[Omley Boozebeard]

This sounds like a lot of money. Maybe someone should be giving out money :bean:

[Monte]

hah

yea, i'll do that for someone with a red name.

Downloaded the trial already, just never logged in...

I know dick about the game... Is there a place where I can find out what race bonus / ships like so I can find one... and maybe one that tells me what is better to use... long/short/med ... What weapons I should be striving for....

I usually play a mage... so something I guess with long range kick ass DPS with some good defence/utility.....

[Omley Boozebeard]

I'm using evemon but it's totally wrong. It says I'm still learning a skill i finished ages ago. I've started learning another one. I've tried clicking "get data from eve online" but it doesn't change.

[stalwart]

I'm using evemon but it's totally wrong. It says I'm still learning a skill i finished ages ago. I've started learning another one. I've tried clicking "get data from eve online" but it doesn't change.

it updates once a day.

[stalwart]

Downloaded the trial already, just never logged in...

I know dick about the game... Is there a place where I can find out what race bonus / ships like so I can find one... and maybe one that tells me what is better to use... long/short/med ... What weapons I should be striving for....

I usually play a mage... so something I guess with long range kick ass DPS with some good defence/utility.....

you're in a spaceship shooting lasers. you'll be starting with the small guns. later you can specialize sniping from afar. it's completely different though... hard to think "mage"

you can also go logistics later, though, so maybe that's a decent equivalent...

[LordTenacious]

Also, play the tutorial. I know it's long as balls but it will help you a lot with all the shiny screens in the game.

[Monte]

Not sure I like any of the races to fit my style...

Caldari- probably my first choice at the moment. Nice shields, good for long range. missle heavy.. but slow and it doesn't seem missles are nearly as good as other weapons? Since they are slow they are hard to stay in long range....

Minmatar - fast ship for hit and run, but easly destroyed.....

Gallente - nice damage and shit at close range, decent tanks. Slow ships and hard to get into range for PvP. Plus the most shit to learn to use correctly.. Probably my second choice....

Amarr - weak hulls and shields... but have good damage at any range, normal speed.

So, that is how I see them... not sure the reality in game though.

[Rains Torme]

Okay, I'll get started soon (probably won't play much until after exams though) mostly to get some skills trained and ready before I really get involved. Basically, in MMO's I usually do my best in a support role (I started off as a healer and have always ended up gravitating toward that). I need you, Stalwart, as EVE commander, to tell me what I should do and what race and history setup would be best for it.

[Spades]

you're in a spaceship shooting lasers. you'll be starting with the small guns. later you can specialize sniping from afar. it's completely different though... hard to think "mage"

you can also go logistics later, though, so maybe that's a decent equivalent...


Ewar and probing is kind of like mages...right?

[ZanirZrold]

this game is exactly like all other fantasy MMOs. Mana -> capacitor, spells -> guns, ammo ->reagents, gun/hull/other upgrades -> sword/armor/trinket, etc.

and drones are kind of like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR5k8S4hLCg

[stalwart]

Not sure I like any of the races to fit my style...

Caldari- probably my first choice at the moment. Nice shields, good for long range. missle heavy.. but slow and it doesn't seem missles are nearly as good as other weapons? Since they are slow they are hard to stay in long range....

Minmatar - fast ship for hit and run, but easly destroyed.....

Gallente - nice damage and shit at close range, decent tanks. Slow ships and hard to get into range for PvP. Plus the most shit to learn to use correctly.. Probably my second choice....

Amarr - weak hulls and shields... but have good damage at any range, normal speed.

So, that is how I see them... not sure the reality in game though.

wait. what? my minmatar jaguar isn't easily destroyed by any means, and amarr has some of the best armor tank around. in apocrypha, amarr was the race to be flying.

and you might regret those "nice shields" that the caldari has. you're putting way too much thought into the race. if you'd like to go to the amarr race and fly caldari ships, you can easily log into the game as amarr and pick up the caldari frigate book if you'd like to go down that line. it's only like an hour and a half of skill that they start you off with, and you really should shy away from trying to specialize too much in the first month anyway.

learning skills are the important ones, and when those are done, you'll be more educated regarding the game and know which one to go after.



Okay, I'll get started soon (probably won't play much until after exams though) mostly to get some skills trained and ready before I really get involved. Basically, in MMO's I usually do my best in a support role (I started off as a healer and have always ended up gravitating toward that). I need you, Stalwart, as EVE commander, to tell me what I should do and what race and history setup would be best for it.

go amarr or caldari as that's what i have equipment setups for. like i've said before, log in, do the tutorial, run some of the capsuleer/military career path missions, and then get to torrinos. pick up the tier 1 learning skills (they are on the market under Skills --> Learning --> the cheap ones. there are 5) on the way if you can afford the 500k or whatever it is.

[slugys]

fucking hell, last time i played ahving a fight in a moa would have consisted of me telling you to fuck off. actually i didint have a moa, i has the long thin one errrm... thorax? anyway yeah lol.

downloading the client now.

[Monte]

wait. what? my minmatar jaguar isn't easily destroyed by any means, and amarr has some of the best armor tank around. in apocrypha, amarr was the race to be flying.

and you might regret those "nice shields" that the caldari has. you're putting way too much thought into the race. if you'd like to go to the amarr race and fly caldari ships, you can easily log into the game as amarr and pick up the caldari frigate book if you'd like to go down that line. it's only like an hour and a half of skill that they start you off with, and you really should shy away from trying to specialize too much in the first month anyway.

learning skills are the important ones, and when those are done, you'll be more educated regarding the game and know which one to go after.
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Got my info from http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page

minmatar

General Strengths

Very fast. Minmatar ships are often able to dictate the range at which combat takes place, and so can evade being damaged as they orbit their targets. Tend toward light vessels, making microwarpdrives and afterburners very effective.
Good amount of medium slots to mount Electronic Warfare and MWD/AB modules. Often have enough low slots to armor tank.
Projectile weapons are highly versatile, as they are able to load different damage types for different situations. High single-shot of artillery lends itself well to hit-and-run tactics made possible by ships' high speeds.
Electronic Warfare ships have bonuses to target painters, although these are highly situational.

General Weaknesses

Tend to have weaker tanks than other factions
Skill-intensive. It may be necessary to train projectile weapon, missile and drone skills to obtain the maximum firepower out of Minmatar ships.
Vulnerable to ECM jamming (use relatively weak LADAR-based sensors)
Small capacitor reservoirs
Tend to have very weak hulls

amarr

General Strengths

Exceptional armor tankers, with the thickest armor and best resistances of the four playable factions
Tend to have large number of low slots for armor repairers, but this also means you can fit a large number of speed modules such as overdrive injectors. This can result in speeds which even overtake comparable Minmatar ships, although at a cost.
Capacitor bonuses to laser use mean Amarr ships can wield them for allowable periods, and many ships have other bonuses to laser weapons. Some ships have short-range missiles bonuses.
Tend to have very large capacitor reservoirs (slightly better than Gallente), although lasers drain capacitor quickly
EWAR ships receive bonuses to tracking disruptors

General Weaknesses

In a sense, many Amarr ships are missing turret bonuses that the equivalent ship of a different race would have. This is because many Amarr ships have (at level 5 skills) a 50% capacitor use reduction to laser weapons, making lasers usable, but not more powerful. They still get damage and re-fire bonuses, but not as many.
Typically have small number of medium slots, meaning EW and AB/MWD usage is compromised. Many Amarr ships are unable to perform roles such as tackling to the degree that other factions' ships are able.
Ships are often expensive compared to other factions.
Relatively weak hulls and rather thin shields
Often slower base max velocities than comparable ships of other factions

[Matriel]

I think he's saying those differences aren't as exaggerated as the descriptions would have you believe and can be made up for with skills/eq.

[stalwart]

if anything, they are talking +/- 2% difference overall.


edit: matriel got to it before i did.


edit2: although, you like that kind of thing, enjoy it. that's the whole point. enthusiastically planning out your character is something i wish most people would do.

[Matriel]

if anything, they are talking +/- 2% difference overall.


edit: matriel got to it before i did.

Learning plan faggot!!! Also, what's your in game name?

[Shaggy]

Any ship that can do this?

http://skepticalhumorist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/nekschot-missiles.jpg

Cause I'll play if there is.

[stalwart]

yes

[Monte]

Well, all but 3 off these books I got. Logic, Focus and clarity are all 4.5M each. Going to be a while before I can get them... Since I only make about 100-200k tops per mission...

[Tetsu]

will someone please just open a corp hanger and toss a dozen of each book in.

[Thatcher]

will someone please just open a corp hanger and toss a dozen of each book in.
we have a corp hanger stalwart is just being a nigger and making people get the lvl 1 learning skills to 4 before hell give you the level 2 book. theres a bunch of lvl 1 learning books in the hangar

[Tetsu]

get fuckign aids

[Monte]

Oh there is a level 2 learning? what is that called? I got level 4 learning.

[Matriel]

Oh there is a level 2 learning? what is that called? I got level 4 learning.

They mean Tier 2 learning skills. There's learning by itself, the tier 1 skill for each of the attributes and then a Tier 2 skill for each of the attributes.

[Spinewire]

we have a corp hanger stalwart is just being a nigger and making people get the lvl 1 learning skills to 4 before hell give you the level 2 book. theres a bunch of lvl 1 learning books in the hangar
stalwart is going to give us the level 2 learning books? or just the money for them?

[Omley Boozebeard]

I need the tier 2 learning book and the tier 2 willpower book.

[stalwart]

i have 5 copies of each of the tier 2 books. if you are within a day of learning any of them, let me know, and i'll give you the book.

[Capricious]

Im almost finished with analytical mind 4, but dont have cash for whatever is after that. Any help?

[stalwart]

i have 5 copies of each of the tier 2 books. if you are within a day of learning any of them, let me know, and i'll give you the book.

[MrBlah]

I wants those 4.5mil skills like eidetic memory and so on. You got those as well?

[stalwart]

i have 5 copies of each of the tier 2 books. if you are within a day of learning any of them, let me know, and i'll give you the book.the tier 2 books are the 5 mil books. i'll give them to you when i get home.

[Omley Boozebeard]

I have level 4 skills for all tier 1 learnings, I already got Logic and Clarity though.

[Capricious]

Stalwart, save some T2s for me - I'll be on after work. Thanks love.

[losinglife]

i have 5 copies of each of the tier 2 books. if you are within a day of learning any of them, let me know, and i'll give you the book.


get online when i am on and give me books! i hunger for more knowledge and i am pretty much lvl4 on elect, frig, and mechanics already since i have been waiting for the tier 2 books :cool:

[stalwart]

you on now?

[slugys]

i have all my learning skills t1 at 4, please send jyam some t2 books.

[Monte]

Since I started late, mine won't be all t4 till late thursday or early Friday....

So save some books for me.

Al though if anybody has any implants to give me.... FUCKEN SEND EM TO ME DAMN IT!!!!! There is nothing like under 25M in the market. That maybe chump change to you dicks, but I don't even have that much yet.

Edit: Oh and I got cyber to 2... Also, how many implants can you get. I noticed in the market that there are slot 1 - 5. Does this mean you can have 5 implants, one for each skill, and can only stuff under slot 1 go in slot 1 and not slot 2?

[Spinewire]

Yes you can have one in each slot and only slot 1 stuff will only go in slot 1.

[Monte]

Yes you can have one in each slot and only slot 1 stuff will only go in slot 1.

That is what I thought, but wanted to check before I go spending that kind of money... or before I even get that kind of money...

Now somebody send me some implants damn it!

[stalwart]

i've been buying implants for production people, but really, i can't afford it for everybody. 50 mil per person or so.

[Monte]

i've been buying implants for production people, but really, i can't afford it for everybody. 50 mil per person or so.

How many implants you get for the 50M? I am up to like 11M... I haven't had the fun to go on the cool scavaging hunts yet though. From what I see in the market that is like 1 maybe 2 level 1 implants, or you have someplace a lot cheaper to get them?

[stalwart]

you want the +3 implants. the cheapest costs around 10.5 mil, expensive: 15.5 mil.

[Monte]

you want the +3 implants. the cheapest costs around 10.5 mil, expensive: 15.5 mil.

Really? WTF was I looking at... I looked at +1 and I couldn't find anything lower then 25M....

[Matriel]

Really? WTF was I looking at... I looked at +1 and I couldn't find anything lower then 25M....

Are you searching the whole region?

[Monte]

I thought I was... I usually do. Will have to double check when I get back home.

[stalwart]

the stuff that also augmented your other skills/stats.

[losinglife]

wtf are implants :D

i get the idea of them i think, they are too boost the speed of your skills time frame or something? How do you apply them? how do they even work... AHHHHHH i am so far behind in my knowledge :fuck you:

[TangerineSky]

Really? WTF was I looking at... I looked at +1 and I couldn't find anything lower then 25M....
I bought +1 perception, +1 intelligence, and +1 memory for like 2mil total at the place I started my first string of missions some calidri school or something.

[Forgin]

What ship type should I be looking at if I want a ship that's fast and agile but can also carry a decent amount of cargo? I need something to do quick runs with because my main hauler is way too slow if I'm not carrying a full cargo hold.

[Matriel]

What ship type should I be looking at if I want a ship that's fast and agile but can also carry a decent amount of cargo? I need something to do quick runs with because my main hauler is way too slow if I'm not carrying a full cargo hold.

I think all the races have a frigate that has a decent sized cargo hold (for a frigate). The Caldari one is a Bantam. But I mean, it's like maybe 1000m3 with 2 cargo expanders. And it's slow for a frigate.

[stalwart]

yea, you want those industrials as soon as possible...

they can carry around 15k m^3 when they are rigged/expanded.

[Tetsu]

I think all the races have a frigate that has a decent sized cargo hold (for a frigate). The Caldari one is a Bantam. But I mean, it's like maybe 1000m3 with 2 cargo expanders. And it's slow for a frigate.

the gallente cruiser that isnt the thorax and kinda looks like a dick with one nut is a really great fast hauler.

[Forgin]

I currently have an Iteron Mark IV which has 13.000 m^3 with expanded cargoholds, but I haven't placed any rigs on it yet. The skill for the Mark V takes 38 days to train so I guess I will be working this one for a long while.:mad:

PS: Nothing is more awesome than docking my 300 meter Dickship into those hawt spacestations.

[LordTenacious]

the gallente cruiser that isnt the thorax and kinda looks like a dick with one nut is a really great fast hauler.

The exqueeror or something like that.

I fucking hate me so much.

Edit: You could always just get a battle badger.

[Tetsu]

The exqueeror or something like that.

I fucking hate me so much.

Edit: You could always just get a battle badger.

yea thats it