It's my Birfday... so sellerbrate!

[Hedrafan3030]

That's right. I am 24 today so soak that in... I have also had mono which really blew because I could barely look at a computer screen for two weeks, so I am not planning that much to do. I do get to go out for Indian food tonight though... so Whoot!

[treefingers]

i will do no such thing

[Motavia]

That's right. I am 24 today so soak that in... I have also had mono which really blew because I could barely look at a computer screen for two weeks, so I am not planning that much to do. I do get to go out for Indian food tonight though... so Whoot!

Masala Bindi imo.

Or Rogan Josh if you eat the meets. Was my fav. until the switch.

[Hedrafan3030]

Masala Bindi imo.

Or Rogan Josh if you eat the meets. Was my fav. until the switch.

The switch? You a veggie now?

[Killuminati]

The switch?

He likes men

[Dezolis]

The switch? You a veggie now?

He's vegan.

[ZanirZrold]

being a vegan doesnt even make sense

[Kran De Loy]

Most vegan people I know live extremely healthy lives. It's, imo, a choice over if you want to live healthy and a little longer or enjoy yourself while your still more then 6 feet above ground.

And Happy birf-day!

[Helgeran]

Haha, Kaeso totally yoinked your day! Gratz to that.

[Red Morgan]

Tandoori chicken with some garlic nan is the shit.

If you get mono twice, do they diagnose you with a double?

[treefingers]

no they call it stereo


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/134/352562429_f499c03be5.jpg

[Wotterpipe]

Happy birthday man. I'll get faded for it.

[Motavia]

being a vegan doesnt even make sense

How not?


Tandoori chicken with some garlic nan is the shit.

If you get mono twice, do they diagnose you with a double?

Tandoori chicken is nasty. Dry as fuck and meat shouldn't ever be that color, I don't care what's been done to it.

[Hedrafan3030]

Tandoori chicken with some garlic nan is the shit.

If you get mono twice, do they diagnose you with a double?

At that point the call it Dinucleosis. Call you a poor sob and if you got the HMO for it shoot you right then and there...

I had 5 cups of chi tea and goat curry (4 out of 3 stars because I am a man...) with a plethora of nan... I was stuffed. Then I went to a friends curry night because we were invited... We caught the last five minuets of National Lampoons Christmas Vacation. My friend that does micro brewing brought over his London Brown and Porter. I had enough room for one of his porters. A friend of mine told us that he was getting into law school at Tulsa, Oklahoma and we got to congratulate him. Then I took my friend home and we talked about how he hates this one guy at the party because he says he is a writer, and is an asshole about it.
The guy wore a button that says "I write books", and he called him out on it. The guy admitted he had only written one and a novella (book is 50,000 words novella's are anything less). So then my friend retorted, "So what your button should say is I write book."...
Then we started to talk about story ideas that we both came up with and then I went home... All in all wasn't the worst birthday but I really hope that twenty four is way better than twenty three...

[Dezolis]

What's wrong with 23?

[ZanirZrold]

You can't eat meat, poultry, seafood, eggs, dairy products, honey, and not use any fur, wool, leather, gelatin, beeswax, whey, etc. I would rather live 60 years with those things than 80 years without.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat)

[Motavia]

You can't eat meat, poultry, seafood, eggs, dairy products, honey, and not use any fur, wool, leather, gelatin, beeswax, whey, etc. I would rather live 60 years with those things than 80 years without.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat)

You really don't need most of those things. And you don't miss them when they're gone. The only thing I miss from time to time is cheese, mostly because I've yet to taste anything vegan that tasted like cheese.

Oh, and I made some Chana Masala last night that was totally gangster.

[Tetsu]

Correction, you dont miss them when they are gone when you dont have a dick. Over the years I've converted 3 friends back to being omnivores and they all admitted they were wrong after their first fillet Mignon.

[treefingers]

assuming your veggies are immune to pain and torture is ignorant

if you truely cared youd stop eating all together

[Kran De Loy]

I am not veggie guy, but I will say my Grandma makes a fucking killer Vegan food.
She amazes me over and over again every time the holidays come around.
Not even Jesus himself could convince me to to give up my Red Meats,but if he had my Granny's whole cook book...

[MrBlah]

You really don't need most of those things. And you don't miss them when they're gone. The only thing I miss from time to time is cheese, mostly because I've yet to taste anything vegan that tasted like cheese.

Oh, and I made some Chana Masala last night that was totally gangster.

Dude... i was going through withdrawl when I didnt have any meat for like 2 weeks back in october... It was hell. I cant live without meat. Sorry.....

[Motavia]

Correction, you dont miss them when they are gone when you dont have a dick. Over the years I've converted 3 friends back to being omnivores and they all admitted they were wrong after their first fillet Mignon.

I'm entirely unsure of how the posession of a dick has anything to do with this.

As for filet mignon; I never liked it, so it is unlikely I would enjoy it if I ate it now.


assuming your veggies are immune to pain and torture is ignorant

if you truely cared youd stop eating all together

Ah, but then I would die and the fire-and-brimstone God would sentence me to hell for suicide.


I am not veggie guy, but I will say my Grandma makes a fucking killer Vegan food.
She amazes me over and over again every time the holidays come around.
Not even Jesus himself could convince me to to give up my Red Meats,but if he had my Granny's whole cook book...

There's no reason vegan food can't be 100% amazing. Earlier this year I had vegan seseme chicken that was leagues better than any real seseme chicken I'd ever had.


Dude... i was going through withdrawl when I didnt have any meat for like 2 weeks back in october... It was hell. I cant live without meat. Sorry.....

Uh... withdrawl?

[Tetsu]

You obviously are a complete vagina or just have never had good meat. Period.

[Numren]

Dude... i was going through withdrawl when I didnt have any meat for like 2 weeks back in october... It was hell. I cant live without meat. Sorry.....

Man there's no way I could go on for 2 weeks without eating meat. I'd probably snap on the second day.

I like my protein, it makes me strong'n stuff.

[Killuminati]

I hate red meat.

[Motavia]

Man there's no way I could go on for 2 weeks without eating meat. I'd probably snap on the second day.

I like my protein, it makes me strong'n stuff.

There are plenty of non-animal protein sources.

[Hatebringer]

Like jizm for example.

[Pink Mippoose]

i will do no such thing

Spoil sport.

[Hedrafan3030]

What's wrong with 23?

For the first time in a long time I feel like I do not want to be single but the chick I want to be with doesn't want a relationship. Very complicated and very painful she is my last ex as well... The bitch of it is she says there is still a real chance of us getting back together or so she says (and I hope). Plus all my friends have gone through equally crushing things... One friend is getting a divorce, and another's sig other abandoned him with their baby girl while she "found herself" in Florida. Yeah stuff like that has made for an awful year/age... hoping next year/age will be better.

[Ashten]

assuming your veggies are immune to pain and torture is ignorant

if you truely cared youd stop eating all together

Lmao! :rofl:

[Kailas]

I don't understand the advantage of being vegan. One of my suitemates is vegan because his girlfriend is vegan and all it means is that they have to pick from 2 local places to get food instead of like, 200. And what do they gain for it? Nadda. An unbalanced diet. I mean I've eaten food before that a vegan could eat that's totally delicious, don't get me wrong, but I like a variety of tasty options and easy access and cheap food and limiting yourself like that makes all of those things harder to find.

And for what? Pissy moral reasons? "Oh the cow is sad because it got eaten" no it's not, that's nature. Things eat other things, welcome to life. It can't be healthy, we need protein. Screw veganism. It doesn't help that every vegan I've met has that aggravating hippy mentality of "I can't refute you but I'm better anyway".

[Tetsu]

It doesn't help that every vegan I've met has that aggravating hippy mentality of "I can't refute you but I'm better anyway".

It also doesn't help that they all suck cocks.

[Mikee]

One of my suitemates is vegan because his girlfriend is vegan and all it means is that they have to pick from 2 local places to get food instead of like, 200.


http://www.ktgl.com/user_uploads/pulp%20fiction.jpg

Well, if you like burgers give 'em a try sometime. I can't usually get 'em myself because my girlfriend's a vegitarian which pretty much makes me a vegitarian. But I do love the taste of a good burger. Mm-mm-mm. You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with cheese in France?

[Kailas]

http://www.ktgl.com/user_uploads/pulp%20fiction.jpg

Well, if you like burgers give 'em a try sometime. I can't usually get 'em myself because my girlfriend's a vegitarian which pretty much makes me a vegitarian. But I do love the taste of a good burger. Mm-mm-mm. You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with cheese in France?

I quoted that as well when my suitemate told me.

[Mikee]

I quoted that as well when my suitemate told me.

Good!

[Motavia]

One of my suitemates is vegan because his girlfriend is vegan and all it means is that they have to pick from 2 local places to get food instead of like, 200.

Depending on where you live you can eat at many more places than that. Additionally, veganism has made me a much better cook, and has opened my eyes to entirely different types of food.


And what do they gain for it? Nadda. An unbalanced diet.

Vegan diets can be just as balanced as non-vegan ones. And with a vegan diet, you don't have to worry about ingesting cholesterol (among other things).


no it's not, that's nature. Things eat other things, welcome to life. It can't be healthy, we need protein.

You can get all the protein you need from non-animal sources. Also, humans don't have to eat animals anymore. You get to make a choice now, why not make the one that causes less pain for another creature?



And for what? Pissy moral reasons? "Oh the cow is sad because it got eaten" no it's not, that's nature. Things eat other things, welcome to life. It can't be healthy, we need protein. Screw veganism. It doesn't help that every vegan I've met has that aggravating hippy mentality of "I can't refute you but I'm better anyway".

If that's the best you've ever heard, you know woefully underinformed vegans. The cow's not "sad because it got eaten." America's family farms are gone, replaced by commercial ventures almost entirely. In a commercial environment, animals are no longer animals, they are commodities and commodities are not given anything that doesn't boost the business' bottom line. There is a myriad of unfortunate things that happens to livestock in factory farms.

I would suggest that before you dismiss veganism as a bunch of hippies, you do some research for yourself rather than assume the mouthbreathers you know are representative of a whole. I can go into this further if you'd like in another post or a pm (although I personally suggest you do your own research rather than taking my word for it).

To get you kicked off, I suggest: Vegan The New Ethics of Eating (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Vegan/Erik-Marcus/e/9780935526875/?itm=1) for the ethical side and The China Study (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-China-Study/T-Colin-Campbell/e/9781932100389/?itm=4) for the health side. If you had to only read one, I suggest the China Study. It's what really turned my head. Most Americans (myself included) are much more interested in the way diet affects their health than the effect their dollar has on the lives of animals.

Lastly, I most certainly dont have the attitude of: "I can't refute you but I'm better anyway" (and it really grates my nerves when other vegans do, as it results in omnivores forming biased opinions, as you seem to have). Both because I actually can refute you, and because I don't make a big deal about my dietary choices at all. Not a single one of my co-workers knew I was vegan for 2 months after I started working with them. Many still don't know (9 months later), and we had a firm-wide staff lunch today.

Lastly, I don't know too many vegans, but I feel that some of the "vegans think they're better than others" mentality is the knee-jerk reaction of omnivores who FEEL like they're being judged projecting onto vegans. I also think there's an inverse correlation between the informedness of a vegan and how likely they are to have a holier-than-thou mentality.

[Killuminati]

We actually spend a tremendous amount of food in order to feed animals, so we can later slaughter them and eat them instead. I've read about how of a waste it is, since we end up spending a tremendous amount of food in order to feed a cow that can't feed that many people.

It's one of the economic arguments which demonstrates how the food could be used to feed starving people instead. Whether or not it's a good argument to the average person depends.

Resources can be used efficiently for an industry, except privately owned goods are naturally rivalrous so they exclude people. So, it really comes down to whether or not you think you can use farmers resources to the ends in which you choose.

Once vegans start talking about animal rights and all that bullshit though, I pretty much put on my earmuffs. I mean I don't eat that much meat, and my parents buy that "free range" type food, but I don't understand the whole goal of animal rights. Some of the shit PETA talks about makes me think they want a disney land type world where animals roam free, side by side with humans.

Lawlers

[Kailas]

We actually spend a tremendous amount of food in order to feed animals, so we can later slaughter them and eat them instead. I've read about how of a waste it is, since we end up spending a tremendous amount of food in order to feed a cow that can't feed that many people.

It's one of the economic arguments which demonstrates how the food could be used to feed starving people instead. Whether or not it's a good argument to the average person depends.

Resources can be used efficiently for an industry, except privately owned goods are naturally rivalrous so they exclude people. So, it really comes down to whether or not you think you can use farmers resources to the ends in which you choose.

Once vegans start talking about animal rights and all that bullshit though, I pretty much put on my earmuffs. I mean I don't eat that much meat, and my parents buy that "free range" type food, but I don't understand the whole goal of animal rights. Some of the shit PETA talks about makes me think they want a disney land type world where animals roam free, side by side with humans.

Lawlers

If you spend 500 dollars on grain to feed a cow and sell the cow for 2000 dollars worth of meat, you didn't lose resources. Regardless of how much the grain could have fed more than the meat, it was still a net gain, for the economy, the farmer, and presumably the consumer, else they wouldn't have made that purchase. Luxury is "inefficient" insofar as it doesn't take pleasure into account. But the luxury business is huge for a reason. It does matter.

And I don't see animals as sentient, so I don't think I'm going to get all teary-eyed about some mistreatment on the other side of the world. I've already acknowledged that everything I'm going to do in this life (and everyone has come to this conclusion, whether they cognizantly recognize it or not) that I'm going to do what makes me happy, and if I can eat delicious meat without feeling bad about it- or rather, if the deliciousness outweighs the guilt- I'm going to eat it.

As for the diet, yeah we eat too much meat. Our bodies are supposed to eat lots of nuts and berries, with a serving of meat once a day/ once every other day depending on your caloric intake. But, we're still supposed to eat meat. It's how we evolved. We evolved to primarily eat what we could forage for with the occasional meat, so that's what's best for us.

However, your post was intelligent and convincing enough that I will be willing to drop it forever and respect your choice, so long as you do the same.

Also, pie.

[Motavia]

We actually spend a tremendous amount of food in order to feed animals, so we can later slaughter them and eat them instead. I've read about how of a waste it is, since we end up spending a tremendous amount of food in order to feed a cow that can't feed that many people.

It's one of the economic arguments which demonstrates how the food could be used to feed starving people instead. Whether or not it's a good argument to the average person depends.

While the argument in the first paragraph is true, the books I've read tend to indicate that the US not giving more food to starving types is more an issue of waste than one of not having enough food to go around. I'll find a quote later today when I have a chance to peruse, but right now I'll say I'm pretty sure that we have an excess of food in this country even with our current energy inefficiency.


If you spend 500 dollars on grain to feed a cow and sell the cow for 2000 dollars worth of meat, you didn't lose resources. Regardless of how much the grain could have fed more than the meat, it was still a net gain, for the economy, the farmer, and presumably the consumer, else they wouldn't have made that purchase. Luxury is "inefficient" insofar as it doesn't take pleasure into account. But the luxury business is huge for a reason. It does matter.

I believe Killum's referring to energy resources, not money specifically. I.e. lets say 10,000 pounds of grain (random number) goes into feeding a cow over 3 years until it is slaughtered for meat. The amount of people 10,000 pounds of grain could feed is staggeringly larger than the amount of people the several hundred pounds of edible flesh on the cow could feed.

As an example: In an imaginary island country with 3k people and a couple hundred square miles of land, you could (for the purpose of the example) grow enough grain to feed everyone, or you could divert half your grain supply to raising livestock whose meat can feed 1/4th of your population.


However, your post was intelligent and convincing enough that I will be willing to drop it forever and respect your choice, so long as you do the same.

Also, pie.

I sure will.

[Killuminati]

If you spend 500 dollars on grain to feed a cow and sell the cow for 2000 dollars worth of meat, you didn't lose resources. Regardless of how much the grain could have fed more than the meat, it was still a net gain, for the economy, the farmer, and presumably the consumer, else they wouldn't have made that purchase. Luxury is "inefficient" insofar as it doesn't take pleasure into account. But the luxury business is huge for a reason. It does matter.

And I don't see animals as sentient, so I don't think I'm going to get all teary-eyed about some mistreatment on the other side of the world. I've already acknowledged that everything I'm going to do in this life (and everyone has come to this conclusion, whether they cognizantly recognize it or not) that I'm going to do what makes me happy, and if I can eat delicious meat without feeling bad about it- or rather, if the deliciousness outweighs the guilt- I'm going to eat it.

As for the diet, yeah we eat too much meat. Our bodies are supposed to eat lots of nuts and berries, with a serving of meat once a day/ once every other day depending on your caloric intake. But, we're still supposed to eat meat. It's how we evolved. We evolved to primarily eat what we could forage for with the occasional meat, so that's what's best for us.

However, your post was intelligent and convincing enough that I will be willing to drop it forever and respect your choice, so long as you do the same.

Also, pie.

I didn't you lose resources. I guess I shouldn't have said the word waste. I am saying that the meat/food industry allocates these resources for their industry in order to keep a healthy amount of animals to eat.

When I said "waste" I was explaining their view on the subject, because I don't see resources being wasted, simply because they are used in order for the consumer to have access to food they demand. I would have to be arguing against their property rights. I was explaining the vegetarian argument on poverty and starvation and how they would rather have these resources allocated for poor people in order to benefit mankind.

I said in order to do this, however, you have to understand that you'll have to meddle in someones economic life in order to get the desired goal. Or you can purchase the grain or whatever from the farmers themselves and provide the food to the poor. I basically was trying to hint at the fact that you must breach someone's property rights to get your desired social goal or you can do something about it yourself I guess.

Also, yes, this isn't about money as a resource, but Kailas was trying to show the industry is also an economic benefit. However, I would not consider meat a luxury good in the economic sense.

Also, I'm not a vegan just in case someone gets that impression.

I lik teh animalz meet

[Hedrafan3030]

I guess I will weigh in as well...
I don't mind nutritional vegetarians. I do however mind ethical vegetarians.
I have a vegan in my life that I give shit too constantly because she is a vegan... She is "proud" of her incredibly strong moral choice and imparts her mindset on EVERYONE on campus...
She sends hate mail to the cafeteria constantly because some student in the line got a piece of ham in the cottage cheese so she had bad bowl movements for days after...
I sent her this http://web.archive.org/web/20041107084521/http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
No single moral vegetarian has been able to answer this for me. Honestly, if you did feel bad enough about this you would go to the trouble of planting and hand harvesting your own crop. If you are still morally objecting to me killing one cow to eat my meal vs the "accidental" death of dozens for you loaf of bead then you are a raging hypocrite.
I also don't like it when people say that hunters and non-vegetarians somehow don't have compassion for animals. I do, but I have made peace with my front teeth and forward swept eyes. Humans are built for a diet of both meat and plant matter. We don't need to eat meat everyday but we do need to need to eat meat every three or four days (optimally) because of certain fats and proteins that are hard (not impossible) to get from plants.
Last, I hunt. I do it to provide for my family. The first deer, squirrel, duck, turkey, whatever I am hunting at the time; gives me a good clean shoot at it will be killed and harvested. After getting the meat and a few of the organs I typically try to get the hide. I am a little upset at my parents that we do not process our deers anymore but after we shoot three in one day (we filled 3/4 tags) we spent the next 20 hours turning three deer in to burger with a hand crank and boning knives :(. Ever since then we have used a slaughterhouse. Lot of good childhood memories in cleaning an animal growing up...
Anyways my 2,000,000 cents

[Motavia]

I guess I will weigh in as well...
I don't mind nutritional vegetarians. I do however mind ethical vegetarians.
I have a vegan in my life that I give shit too constantly because she is a vegan... She is "proud" of her incredibly strong moral choice and imparts her mindset on EVERYONE on campus...
She sends hate mail to the cafeteria constantly because some student in the line got a piece of ham in the cottage cheese so she had bad bowl movements for days after...
I sent her this http://web.archive.org/web/20041107084521/http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
No single moral vegetarian has been able to answer this for me. Honestly, if you did feel bad enough about this you would go to the trouble of planting and hand harvesting your own crop. If you are still morally objecting to me killing one cow to eat my meal vs the "accidental" death of dozens for you loaf of bead then you are a raging hypocrite.

Aha! I see someone reads Maddox (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill). I'm going to provide my personal feelings on the matter, which are not covered in that article.

Here's my stance on ethical veganism: you use your money to try to limit the pain/death of animals as much as you can. Do I not drive because I might hit a mosquito? Nope, I am currently a courier at a law firm (which I could not be without a car), and I am not in a financial position to quit my job right now. But I try to do what I can.

Now, the author of the article claims that more animals are killed in a vegan diet than one that involves a mix of both grains and "ruminants." Ok, I'll take him at his word.

What the article doesn't seem to consider is the fact that x voles and mice dying when a harvester is run through a field is not immutable. As it stands, mass grain production is carried out with an omnivorous consumer in mind. So why (and this goes back to what I said in my previous post) would farmers spend more money trying to make sure their harvesting doesn't kill animals when spending that money would hurt their bottom line? They wouldn't.

Your average vegan would tell you that in an ideal world, nobody would eat animals or use animal products. There is no way this vision can be achieved when nobody chooses not to eat animals (the grains/ruminants model). When enough people vote with their dollars to minimize collateral damage to animals, enterprising plant-growers will begin finding ways to produce food that will conform to their wants and their marketers will make sure their products are branded as such. They will finally have a reason to do so.


No single moral vegetarian has been able to answer this for me.

I'd be VERY curious to know why all the vegans being discussed in this thread are totally underinformed and apparently unable to form counterarguments.


I do, but I have made peace with my front teeth and forward swept eyes. Humans are built for a diet of both meat and plant matter. We don't need to eat meat everyday but we do need to need to eat meat every three or four days (optimally) because of certain fats and proteins that are hard (not impossible) to get from plants.

We really don't need to eat meat at all. There are no if's and's or but's about it.

[Tetsu]

Its not about whether we can subsist without meat or even that vegan food can taste great; both are true. The heart of the subject for me is lack of variety in taste and textures. The world of meat and complementing sides is near inexhaustible and delicious. Why limit myself when I don't buy the ethical argument, I can eat healthy or even healthier with meat, and our evolution clearly indicates that we are supposed to eat both meat and plant material.

[Tetsu]

Exhibit B: A direct quote from a former vegan friend of mine on being an omnivore.


"luke*: i seriously couldn't go back
luke*: i feel healthier
luke*: im average weight for my size now and i think my dick got bigger
luke*: and i started liking girls"

[Motavia]

Its not about whether we can subsist without meat or even that vegan food can taste great; both are true. The heart of the subject for me is lack of variety in taste and textures. The world of meat and complementing sides is near inexhaustible and delicious. Why limit myself when I don't buy the ethical argument, I can eat healthy or even healthier with meat, and our evolution clearly indicates that we are supposed to eat both meat and plant material.

Goddamnit I'm doing a lot of work in this thread.

You can create vegan food that apes meat extremely well. The seseme chicken I mentioned earlier in this thread was nearly indistinguisable from any other seseme chicken I'd ever had. Sure, you don't get as wide a range in taste and textures when you cut things out of your diet, but I find the sacrifice to be minimal... so why not?

As far as I have read, a vegan diet at its healthiest will be healthier than a non-vegan one at it's healthiest (unless they find out something about the omega-3's from fish oil being significantly better than those in flaxseed, etc.). Additionally, it's easier (in my opinion) to eat healthily when you are already cutting out a huge chunk of the bad stuff.

Lastly, our evolution doesn't clearly indicate we are supposed to eat anything. You can't look at evolutionary markers to see what an ideal situation (a world where you can eat almost exactly what you want all the time) would be, because evolution is all about adapting to a situation that isn't ideal. In fact, it seems to me that any scientist worth his salt would scoff at the idea that: "our evolution clearly indicates that we are supposed to eat both meat and plant material."


Exhibit B: A direct quote from a former vegan friend of mine on being an omnivore.


"luke*: i seriously couldn't go back
luke*: i feel healthier
luke*: im average weight for my size now and i think my dick got bigger
luke*: and i started liking girls"

Humorous, if nothing else.

[Tetsu]

The seseme chicken I mentioned earlier in this thread was nearly indistinguisable from any other seseme chicken I'd ever had. Sure, you don't get as wide a range in taste and textures when you cut things out of your diet, but I find the sacrifice to be minimal... so why not?



I guarantee you cannot mimic the flavor and texture of a good fillet or properly marbled flank, not to mention the wonderful world of fish. The sacrifice is far from minimal when you truly look at how greatly you are limiting yourself.



Lastly, our evolution doesn't clearly indicate we are supposed to eat anything. You can't look at evolutionary markers to see what an ideal situation (a world where you can eat almost exactly what you want all the time) would be, because evolution is all about adapting to a situation that isn't ideal. In fact, it seems to me that any scientist worth his salt would scoff at the idea that: "our evolution clearly indicates that we are supposed to eat both meat and plant material."


Excuse me, able rather than supposed, that might be where your conniption fit originated. Aside from that I don't think you could make an argument for a sole reliance on plant material when presented with the human canine and incisor compared to herbivore teeth.

[Motavia]

I guarantee you cannot mimic the flavor and texture of a good fillet or properly marbled flank, not to mention the wonderful world of fish. The sacrifice is far from minimal when you truly look at how greatly you are limiting yourself.

Not eating everything that tastes good is not a great limitiation to me. It's not a big deal at all.


Excuse me, able rather than supposed, that might be where your conniption fit originated. Aside from that I don't think you could make an argument for a sole reliance on plant material when presented with the human canine and incisor compared to herbivore teeth.

I may be missing something, but I don't understand what point you're trying to make with that last sentence.

Also, why mischaracterize my post by referring to it as a conniption fit?

[MrBlah]

Humans are omnivores... that means we eat both other animals and plants as well. Please see Exhibit A for the best possible way of consuming from all food groups.


Exhibit A: http://www.steamgames.com/tf2/heavy/images/06_sandvich_thumb.jpg


Notice how you get 40 points from Meat and Poultry and Cheese and Dairy... 40 of 120 available nutritional points. thats 1/3 of available health. So... by being a vegan you are only 2/3 as healthy as the rest of us and will live only 2/3 as long. Everyone knows the most enjoyment out of a sandvich is the meat and cheese... so by not eating meat or cheese, you sandvich is only 1/3 as enjoyable as the common sandvich and this I think we all agree that you life is only 1/3 as enjoyable as the rest of ours.

[MrBlah]

I may be missing something, but I don't understand what point you're trying to make with that last sentence.

Humans have Canines, Incisors, and Molars. Please see Exhibit B below. With these three types of teeth, humans are the ideal for consuming all types of food.

Exhibit B:

http://www.gtchild.co.uk/content/images/stories/human_body/teeth_mouth.jpg

With the use of our Canines and Incisors, like those of wolfs, see Exhibit C below, we can eat lots and lots of meat.

Exhibit C:
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Discovery-Channel---Wolf-Poster-C10076615.jpeg

[Killuminati]

Your average vegan would tell you that in an ideal world, nobody would eat animals or use animal products. There is no way this vision can be achieved when nobody chooses not to eat animals (the grains/ruminants model). When enough people vote with their dollars to minimize collateral damage to animals, enterprising plant-growers will begin finding ways to produce food that will conform to their wants and their marketers will make sure their products are branded as such. They will finally have a reason to do so.


Exactafuckingmundo

As long as vegetarians are out there trying to convince people by educating them I'm all for it.

I think the problem is the vast majority of vegans, especially in the college setting, are usually the trendy types that don't actually know anything about being vegan besides what to eat.

I actually eat a lot of vegan food because it's organic and it tastes much better than processed garbage I find in most supermarkets. Of course I still eat meats of all kind. I mainly do it for my health, but some of this is interesting.

To be honest I think some animal rights activists need to be realistic. Not everyone is going to abandon their habits and join them. I think they should make efforts to buying up land and using it to populate animals they want to keep safe. Hunters have done that in order to keep a steady population of the animal they hunt. Animal rights activists should create charities as well in order to create safe habitats for animals.

[Tetsu]

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://libsyn.com/images/suegrandys/Corey.jpg&imgrefurl=http://suegrandys.libsyn.com/index.php%3Fpost_id%3D247010%26comments%3Don&usg=__n9IqsRywv7IG8QK28nGEzhumPFo=&h=320&w=261&sz=15&hl=en&start=5&sig2=EkZUT0RNAB3Xzo8ENCe5mw&um=1&tbnid=l1n7FP069sZmsM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=96&ei=y5ZISePvJdmitgf5jtGEDg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvegan%2Bmale%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG

[MrBlah]

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://libsyn.com/images/suegrandys/Corey.jpg&imgrefurl=http://suegrandys.libsyn.com/index.php%3Fpost_id%3D247010%26comments%3Don&usg=__n9IqsRywv7IG8QK28nGEzhumPFo=&h=320&w=261&sz=15&hl=en&start=5&sig2=EkZUT0RNAB3Xzo8ENCe5mw&um=1&tbnid=l1n7FP069sZmsM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=96&ei=y5ZISePvJdmitgf5jtGEDg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvegan%2Bmale%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG

he needs to die in hell. Why did you make me read that!?

[MrBlah]

In all reality, im not against vegan food, I'll admit yeah its kinda good, but I'm far against the idea of not using animals and shit like that. There isnt a snowballs chance in hell that we will up and stop using domesticated animals for food.

[Tetsu]

from my cold dead hands....

[ZanirZrold]

Oh, say that we agree not to eat animals. Can we at least still have sex with them? Or is that right out too?

[Dezolis]

Oh, say that we agree not to eat animals. Can we at least still have sex with them? Or is that right out too?

Five is right out. You can have sex with animals as long as they enjoy themselves too. If you cum first you better get ready for some animal cunnilingus.

[Motavia]

Yes. It is imperative that they get theirs.

[Rykros]

Yes. It is imperative that they get theirs.

categorically so